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Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Took my van to my trusted garage in Brighton (Howard Motors) in to get its new clutch and new exhaust fitted on Tuesday, plus replacement brake hoses. I know its not really in the spirit of these things to take it to a garage, and that really I should be doing it myself, but... at the moment I have no time (as well as having no skills) and am able to pay to have it done quickly and properly rather than getting started, coming into difficulties, then having to leave the van sat on the road in pieces while I find the time to get back on with it. The clutch was replaced no probalos and the difference is dramatic. I have the old clutch plate and had clearly been on there for years and is utterly bereft of any clutchy stuff anymore. The van drives a million times better already. The exhaust also went on, and the difference it makes is also dramatic I believe as the old one was in such bad shape and was so incredibly old and rusty that it must have been simultaneously clogged with soot and blowing out of a millions rust holes. The front brakes were bled and the new flexi hoses put on, no bother, but they couldn't do the back ones. At some point in the van's history, metric pipe ends had been forced into the brake pipes and the whole lots has now become so corroded that they don't feel they can get it all off with the rear brake cylinders cracking under the pressure of working them free. So they have suggested I need to get new brake cylinders for the back, as well as new pipe ends, and also I need some washers for the T-joint at the end of the flexi-hose at the rear. They've done what they can to make sure the rear brakes are okay, and they've done the front brakes, but to get through the MOT I will need to source the missing pipe ends and also get some new brake cylinders. I'm glad I didn't attempt to do the exhaust as it happens... they found that the downpipe was badly corroded at the end and it required a bit of bespoke bodgery to create an inner sleeve, so that my new stainless steel exhaust is held in place via a piece inserted inside the downpipe. It involved some welding and packing and whatnot, and they also found they had to adjust the sizes of the pipes supplied as they were incorrect for the van. If I had attempted to do this in the road outside my place, with kids needing attention and everything else going on, I'd have never got anywhere with it. Cost a lot in man-hours and VAT, but I've been for a two hour blast along the coast to Beachy Head today and she really drives great. Really powerful (for a 30 year old van) and she has no problems tanking along at 70-80mph. Still got the bodywork to think about. It worries me greatly. Keeps me up at night, especially when its raining. Even when I sleep I dream about it rusting in front of my very eyes, and wake up feeling anxious about it. Its been raining consistently heavily for the last week or so, and there are numerous deep orange streaks coming from various places that weren't there before. Drivability: Mechanically: Presentation: Chances of rusting to pieces by summer: ----------------------
Sat 22 Jan 2011 @ 17:41
bluebedouin Global Moderator Posts : 2444 Location : Northampton,England. Status : Offline	Spookytim wrote: .... Even when I sleep I dream about it rusting in front of my very eyes, and wake up feeling anxious about it. .... Don't worry,Tim.It's just a fragment of your menageration!;D ----------------------
Sat 22 Jan 2011 @ 18:43
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Wow, you've infiltrated my dream-space and extracted that image, like in the movie Inception, haven't you. That's pretty much exactly how it happens. ;D ----------------------
Sat 22 Jan 2011 @ 19:57
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	maybe this will be of interest- I couldnt help but notice that v dubbers thinks its cool though. http://www.performancevwmag.com/newsitem.asp?newsID=66 Only problem is, how do you know when its becoming a serious rust problem? ----------------------
Sat 22 Jan 2011 @ 20:10
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Ha, I have actually considered that to be honest. When I first started looking for a van (was looking for two years before I finally found the right one), I was really into the rat rod look. After getting my CF2 I had started to get tired of the rat rod look, and particularly the vehicles that had been ratted that were really not rat rod material at all. The styling of the CF2 is right on the fence between being suitable and being un-suitable, and after a few weeks of owning it I decided I wanted to restore it faithfully rather wrecking it with rust paint and naff accessories. Since learning it would cost about 8k to restore the shell alone, I'm thinking that Rat Rod look isn't so bad after all. ;D ----------------------
Sat 22 Jan 2011 @ 20:21
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Getting excitingly close to sorting out the panelwork on my van now. I've just signed the employment contract for a full time job with a company I've been consulting for for the last year. I did have my own illustration studio for five years, but the recession hit hard in 2008, and by the time things had picked up again, I had realised I'd done my time as an illustrator and wanted to move on. I've been looking for a totally new career direction since then, and the last year working with this company has been nothing short of amazing. So there's no going back now, I'm no longer in 'the creative industry' where I have been since I left school at 15 (I'm 41 now). That means I can sell off all of my Apple Mac equipment, and put the money towards getting my passenger side straightened out and then getting the whole thing re-sprayed in a suitable colour for the era of the van. At the moment its appallingly hand painted in B&Q radiator paint. Can't wait. Also, today, I had a great moment on the seafront road where some flash little type in one of those brand new Renault Megane Coup�s clearly thought I was just a crusty hobo in a slow-as-cheese old chugaboom, so he came up my inside then cut directly in front of me just before the left hand lane gets eaten by the right. He clearly figured he wanted to be infront of me, not breathing my fumes behind, and probably figured I didn't have the power to re-take him before the lanes merged. Not happy with being cut up though, I floored it in second, moved into the dying left hand lane, cruised effortlessly past him again, and the slowish car he was now stuck behind, and shot off up the road at 50mph while he got stuck chugging behind a recently deceased driver. The look on his face when he saw me accelerate past him was priceless. These things really can pull away between 20-60mph for what they are. ;D ----------------------
Fri 04 Feb 2011 @ 23:28
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Hi Tim,just seen this on eBay and thought of you! 120682005190 The seller says he has spares Inc windows. The nearside panel has a rusty wheel arch but you should be able to cut out the to half and graft it in. Hope this helps, Derek Sorry if the link doesn't work but I'm posting it from my iPhone
Tue 08 Feb 2011 @ 09:00
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Brilliant! Thanks Derek, will check it out! ;D Much obliged sir. ----------------------
Thu 10 Feb 2011 @ 21:37
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Hi there Tim,it's me again! I've spent the afternoon enjoying my favorite pastime of searching ebay for bedford bits and came across this little beauty. 320656866189 It's a replacement panel for the side loading door but I would have thought a good panel beater would be able to replace the top half of your rear panel,provided they are the same size. I would have gone outside to have a measure up but it persisting down here. Hope this helps,cheers. Derek
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 17:44
bluebedouin Global Moderator Posts : 2444 Location : Northampton,England. Status : Offline	Great minds think alike!I saw that shortly after it being posted,gave Tim a ring but he's not got back to me yet. ----------------------
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 18:43
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	lyndel61 wrote: 320656866189 It's a replacement panel for the side loading door "This panel is to replace the hole left by the side loading door once removed. Not a replacement skin for the door. The rear panel is different in that it curves round the rear of the van and not down a seam. Depending on how good a panel beater either you or some one else is then its a big job to fit this panel as a replacement. Distortion is the biggest problem through welding. ----------------------
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 21:00
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Hi Gethin,I did say that it was a replacement for the side loading door and not a door skin. As for the panel being a different shape I'm sure that a good old fashioned panel beater,not a rip off weld on modern body shop worker, would be able to sort it out. My father was taught by an old school panel beater and if he was still fit and able I'm sure he would take this sort of project as a challenge and would get it sorted in no time.
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 21:23
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Hi Folks, Thanks for posting the panel, looks VELLY INTERLESTING so I'll drop a bid on it and see what happens. Sorry I didn't get back to you Blue... our littlest had to be taken to hospital this evening because she's been screaming and writhing in agony all day. At first we thought she must have bad cold but as the day wore on it became apparent it was worse than that, so we all had to bundle off to the hospital on a GP's advice and wait to be seen. Turns out she has a really bad case of tonsilitis. Poor thing. She's only 12 months old. I had it when I was in my early twenties and it hurt so much I cried like a baby for two weeks. She sleeps for twenty minutes, then wakes up again in a right old state. Anyway, back to the panel... looks like it could be perfect metal. Thanks very much for thinking of me you lot! ----------------------
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 22:17
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Its Monsieur Bailey, I just noticed (Roverland.eu). I'm meant to be giving him a ring anyway as I have some wheel cylinders on standby from him from about three weeks ago, but so far My wife's been ill, I've been ill, now the littleuns ill, so the wheel cylinders have had to wait. Now could be the time to make a call and buy the panel along with the cylinders. ----------------------
Sun 13 Feb 2011 @ 22:20
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	I wouldn't recommend reading this mega-long post, its just a diary entry for myself, not really written for anybody's general consumption. I have a really bad memory problem so I like to keep my thoughts as I go along... Major van day today. Got up early and went for a blast up the A23 almost to Croydon, then blasted straight back down again home. Had the van at an almost constant 90mph on the speedo for long stretches, which surprised me. Previously its only ever reached about 80mph. Judging by the traffic speed I'd say the speedo was fairly accurate and the needle was stable not bouncing. On long uphill stretches it would only do 70mph. It managed the whole run fine, absolutely no trouble at all and didn't seem or sound stressed at 90, but it DRANK the petrol at full throttle and I got home half a tank lighter. Then I decided to park up outside the house and make a tentative start on tackling the problem of the bad camper windows and the bad panels on the passenger side. I started by stripping out all of the plywood panelwork and the timbers it was built onto inside the van. This took hours as there were loads of screws and all the heads were rounded AND rusty. Also, I had to remove a bodge-made half bulkhead to get the foremost panelling off, and the bulkhead was jammed in tight and seemed to be made out of something heavier than the moon. Over the winter I didn't dare look behind the plywood panelling in case I found a myriad of horrors hidden away. I preferred to bury my head in the sand. The timber was all wet, mouldy and rotten. Must have been half a ton of timber in the van with all the panelling and the sodden support timbers behind it. Was pleasantly surprised to find there was very little rust going on behind there despite the wetness, even the really bad panels seem fairly legit from the inside. The inside panelwork had all been liberally slathered in something that had dried to a hard green transparent film. The very worst panel has (I now see clearly) had a 2ft long by 8" high panel welded in under the window at some point. Some of the weld has got rusty, but the actual panelwork is sound. Had a damn good go at beating the passenger side panels back into shape. Tried using a heavy hammer with timber as dampening, then some large boulders, but no luck, so I tried striking the panels directly with the hammer, but through some plywood to dissipate the impact away from the immediate hammer strike. Again, no luck. In the end I found a decent heel kick from my Redwing boots made the best impression. Got some of the worst dents out but it will never be straight, so I'll do the rest with filler I reckon. For now. It will be half decent and will do for a few years. I had a really good look at the camper windows from the inside but found they are more complex than I first assumed. There are rectangular metal frames welded to the insides of the van's panels, which I didn't expect at all. I just assumed the windows were held into an aperture lip with rubber seals. I'm going to have to take the plunge next weekend and just take one window out, as its impossible to see how they are fitted or held in place with the extended rubber seals ( the seals incorporated an elongated inner lip that gripped over the ply panelwork 1" away from the window aperture) nestled inside the protruding window frames. As I didn't have anything prepared for taking the windows out and replacing them successfully, and I'm back at work all week, I decided not to risk delving any further until I have gathered some stuff to make replacements or at least to patch it up if it all goes horribly wrong. I already have some window rubbers which I purchased ages ago, but not replacement glass/acrylic. I'm actually favouring the alternative window hole blast covers I designed recently. Anyway, it was good to take the plunge and get the lining out, letting the dog see the rabbit, but then I switched tack onto paintwork. I found in the back of my van some abrasion pads I purchased from Halfords on a whim a few months ago. I decided it was time to see if I could flat down the terrible paintwork on the van. Quotes coming in for getting it professionally resprayed are too high for such a knackered bit of bodywork. I had a go at sanding down the paint, focussing on drips, drags and deep brush strokes just to see how it went. It was pretty amazing... The pads got the paint perfectly flat relatively easy. I ended up going round the van flatting down various parts and decided that it was entirely possible to take what's there back down to an acceptable smoothness, then abrade it a bit, convert the rust spots, prime where needed, then hand paint nicely over the top with Rustoleum. I'm really tempted to coach paint it with the expensive stuff but again there's really no point when two of the panels are like dog's s. But I am now determined that I'll do a really good home paint job, and even if I get a little bit of brushwork showing I can easily sand it off as I actually quite like the sanded down look. So I ordered some rust converter, some primer, and some mid-grey (RAL7005) Rustoleum paint just now from http://www.promain.co.uk/ Next: I'm going to get some traces off the window shapes and have oversized stainless steel sheet shields made to fit over the window apertures. I will back them with heavy duty rubber sheeting as a waterproof gasket, and with about 100 drill holes positioned round the edge so as to butt up right against the window apertures. I will bolt the shield pieces to a backing board inside the van, tightening each of the 100 or so bolts as tightly as possible to sandwich it all together either side of the panelwork metal. I really like the way I think this will look with 100's of evenly spaced roundhead bolt heads around each window shape and ultra shiny stainless steel in place of each window. I'm relatively confident that with a rubber gasket and super tight bolts right at the very edge of the aperture, crushing the outer and inner pieces together either side of the panelwork, it should be waterproof. I'm really keen on the idea of ultra shiny silver metal where the windows should be, and matted down battleship grey paint on the bodywork. Suddenly I feel like my van is going to look a bit more interesting and presentable come summer time. ; ) ----------------------
Sun 20 Feb 2011 @ 22:38
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	PS: Update on the panel off ebay... Everyone was ill here, my 12month old quite seriously so, so I didn't get anywhere near the internet to buy that panel off ebay. Remembered it, and went back to buy it today, but obviously its gone already. :C ----------------------
Sun 20 Feb 2011 @ 22:40
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	(Sorry for long post, I write these as a personal record rather than because I think anyone would be interested in a beginner like me scrabbling around like an amateur) Well, I've taken the plunge today. Ripped out the worst window. Had to cut out the old rubber seal (I think it was some kind of hard shiny plastic rather than rubber, unless rubber can plasticise over time) and then after I'd cut that out I was able to gently liberate the three panel section very very carefully as one piece. This was a surprise as the only thing holding the three parts together was some seriously dessicated joining rubber strips. This was the worst panel on my van and after taking the window out, cutting away all the old seal, lines and giant gloops of mastic and some odd blobs of filler that were all around the aperture, I discovered that underneath it all was some remarkably good condition metalwork. I expected the whole thing to crumble and collapse in my hands like a sheet of aertex. Its all good tin. So I did my best at sanding back and smoothing off as much as possible (working purely by hand though, no power tools) and that took me half a day, just to get the aperture ready for primer. Then I did what I could with the rest of the panel. I planned to sand it back to metal and fill the big indents that wont come back out, but I'd have been sanding none stop for three weeks to get back down to the metal by hand with the sandpaper I bought. For now I've just flatted off all the bad filler surface areas, and the hand-painted brush marks and paint drips that made it look really shambolic. Now, I hope, when the new mid grey Rustoleum paint is rollered on and flatted back, it wont look half as bad is it did. It will hopefully just look dented as opposed to dented then attacked by lunatics with catapults full of filler and hair short-handled brooms loaded with radiator paint. Then I applied Rustoleum primer to all the bare metal areas and left that to dry for less time they recommend, before tackling the new rubber seals. These are odd, and I'm not entirely sure they'll work. I managed to get the seals into the aperture, and they were very tight, but they seem to bell open, and the corner radii are particularly bad as the parts of the rubber that will hold the glass buckle outwards quite badly in order to make the curve round. Anyway, I was only temporarily putting the old 3-piece panel back in until I get acrylic sheet cut to fit, so I drew around the window piece to have a template for the new pane, then proceeded to try and fit the old 3-piece window section back in. It wouldn't go. Thats the short answer. I think the new rubber seal has a thicker gusset than the one I just took out, and that one had never been fitted properly anyway. It was badly buckled itself in places, and it didn't have the keystrip in... and it was clear the keystrip wouldn't have fitted anyway. Anyway, I decided that like most things on this van, its only as bad as it is because it was so badly bodged by a past owner who had the wrong size aperture cutted, or the wrong size glass, or the wrong size rubber... but I had to cut it all out and see what I was dealing with to learn, and now I've learned I will cut my acrylic window sheet a millimeter or so smaller all round, and in particular I will increase the radius of the upper rear corner as that clearly isn't going to fit at all. It bulges the new rubber seal right out, like a constipated baboon's a**e. So, after about an hour and a half of trying to get the 3-piece wondow back in, I decided to call it a day. I removed the two main panes from the central alumiunium opening frame section, and managed to get them into the seals with little trouble. It was then that I realised there was no way the aluminium centre portion was never going to fit properly, as it was at least half an inch taller than the glass pieces. Hence the bad bodge last time to get it in, and the horrible leaking warps and bulges, resulting in all the filler and crap making it all look so hideous and the lack of a keystrip to hold it all secure. Basically it was a bad job made worse by Messrs Bodgit & Scarper. So I have put the two far end panes back in, then parcel taped a piece of plywood over the gap to keep the pigeons out, and will get the new acrylic sheet cut this week which I am confident will go in very easily. Next weekend I should be painting my first panel in the selected grey colour, and my van will be on its way to looking half respectable. This was a significant day for me. I actually tackled something. Even though I didn't end the day with the glass back in and a coat of topcoat rollered on, I did make a lot of progress and even though it looks a lot worse right now, it will be much better very soon. = ) (Again, Sorry for long post, I write these as a personal record rather than because I think anyone would be interested in a beginner like me scrabbling around like an amateur) ----------------------
Sun 06 Mar 2011 @ 19:27
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Finally I've started to get some time to address the outside of Ripley. I've been rollering her with Rustoleum, and under the circumstances it really looks surprisingly good... ... the circumstances of which I speak are simply that her flanks are as crumpled as used bacofoil and the previous owner's paint job was done with B&Q radiator paint and a dead man's leg as a brush. I had a valiant attempt at hand sanding down the worst of the brush marks, and overall its definitely an improvement. The colour suits the crunchy look of the van and makes it look a bit ratted and a bit of a bruiser. I like that look so that's good. I did a really thorough wet sanding down of the bonnet too but sadly it was not enough... the new paint is on and dried and it still really looks like it was brushed on badly due to the texture of the last paint job refusing to faltten down. Can't decide whether to do it again or just to accept that she'll never be a looker as far as concourse owners are concerned. Rusoleum really gives a good finish though. I'm really surprised. If my van wasn't a knacker and I really put some grade A effort in to it, the paint would definitely provide an admirable end result. I'd have no qualms about painting something else with it if I wanted to get a really good result. It reminds me of the old coachpaint look of proper look of vintage cars... sort of like a tough, colourful laminate with a smooth shiny surface. Did some work inside as well while I sat there waiting for the shuts to dry, so its been a good weekend for me and Ripley. 8) PS: I should add that those shots were taken yestederday, and today I painted the shut lines ANNNNDDD added one of my CFUK Owners Club stickers to the back door. ;D ----------------------
Sun 27 Mar 2011 @ 17:00
bluebedouin Global Moderator Posts : 2444 Location : Northampton,England. Status : Offline	I agree about the rustoleum,Tim.Marvellous stuff. One thing you forgot to add to the "Wet Paint" sign was ..... "This is not an instruction";D ----------------------
Sun 27 Mar 2011 @ 17:40
Anon Deleted Posts : Location : Status : Offline	Me and cars. This is the first 'off the beaten path' vehicle I have ever owned after wanting to own something very badly for many many years (The missus wouldn't let me though). I used to go off and look very seriously at things like old Lotus Excels or 50's Ford hot rods and then beg, literally beg my missus to let me buy them. She never would. She couldn't say "NO" outright, but she could be a woman and make my heart turn to mud if I went ahead with such treachery, so I never did. I have always loved cars. When I lived in Birmingham, everyone worked at BMC/Austin/Leyland/Rover, so Metros were like small change. people used to trade Metros for favours, or to pay off debts, or to give a new driver something to drive. I had an endless stream of Metros, some of which were written off, some of which were stolen, some of which were called 'Vanden Plas' and were so plush inside that it really was like driving a Rolls Royce (to a 17 year old, who'd grown up in Birmingham, and had never even seen a Rolls Royce in the flesh). When I moved to London I traded up to a Lada Niva. That was an amazing car. Utterly amazing. It took me everywhere. It was solid as a rock, drove just like a car on road, and just like a tractor off road. It was bullet proof too, and tiny on the outside but absolutely enormous inside thanks I think to a really wide centre console which was presumably sitting atop really wide mechanicals underneath. Anyway that had to go when the emissions tests a came in. I was advised under no certain terms that it would never pass an MOT in the future, and Volkswagen were doing a no quibble trade-in special, so I PX'd it for £2k and had my first and only taste of driving a brand new car away from the showroom. My car history petered out there and then, except for when I moved down to Brighton with the missus and I managed to pursuade her to let me buy an Alfa 147. I say "managed to pursuade her' but I actually called her up from the driver's seat in the middle of nowhere and confessed to her that I'd bought it a week previously, had just collected it, and was now driving it home. The Alfa gave us 2 years of really delightful, and trouble free motoring. And then we had our first baby and just couldn't get a baby seat to fit in the back in anyway that could be deemed workable. So the Alfa had to go, and the day we decided it had to go, all hell broke lose. The electrics went, the phase regulator went, which meant the cam belt and pulleys and all that shmutter had to be removed to do that, then somethign else was discovered, and the aircon collapsed, and the electrics blew... it cost two grand to get that car back on the road in order to drive it from Alfa to the Suzuki dealership and part exchange it for a Suzuki Swift (which the missus wanted). So that Alfa pretty much ruined my chances of the missus ever trusting anything vehicular ever again. Still I looked though. Every night. Pistonheads, Autotrader, Car and Classic... furtive trips to local cars to act like a buyer... feel like a buyer... not that I wanted to waste anyone's time. It was really a case of finding something so compelling the missus would HAVE to trust me on it. Looked very seriously at a Mini Innocenti, but couldn't sell it to the missus... no room for anything, too dangerous, too rotty, kids couldn't go in it. A Lotus Excel in Worthing. Beautiful and quirky. Odd, like a piece of car design by Ed Roth. I really wanted it. It had room, it would have been a good vehicle to put my studio name on, it was a Lotus... fast, powerful, expensive to maintain, prone to problems... NO. Every set back just helped define the ultimate vehicle for me. Can't be small, can't be exotic, can't be dangerous, can't be something that would get stolen, or get me killed, or cost a bomb in insurance, can't be something antisocial, noisy, offensive, vulnerable... so on and so on. It came down to some old school Fords. I was really keen on Mk2 Transits and Ford Anglias/populars/prefects. I really like Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts, but the ones I slobbered over, the missus wouldn't go for, and the 'safe' looking ones just looked, well, safe. There were loads of rats, rods and mods that passed me by. With some of them I used to lie in bed and wonder how I'd continue to live without them knowing they were out there and I could own them if I just handed over the money. There was one ratty old Ford Popular on Weller wheels with a custom flake blue paintjob that I literally obsessed about for weeks and weeks, until eventually it was sold. I went to see Ripley in the same spirit as all the others... maybe this would get past mein kapitan... and when I saw it I just had to have it. So I went home and told the missus I was buying it and there was nothing she could do. She made me feel bad whilst telling me she couldn't stop me if I went ahead, and on that occasion I just decided to go ahead despite the guilt trip. I've had the van since last summer and she's never let me down yet. What's more, she makes herself VERY useful indeed. There's no end of things that need fetching, delivering, dumping at the tip... at this point now I think its fair to say that the missus would possibly wonder how we'd cope with Ripley. She's a battered old chugger from 1986. Clearly seen a few battles, clearly not in great shape. Noisy and smelly (I love the smell though) and oily and threatening to fall apart in one place or another at any given time (rear door hinge this week), but.... she's one of the family now, and I get so much out of owning her, and I absolutely love the feeling of driving her round that I think its the best money I've ever spent. I was lying on the bench in the back today, waiting for the shuts to dry out. I was out of sight. A couple cycled past and the bloke went "WOOAR, Look at that"... she went "What?"... he went "The van... its a Bedford CF... I'd love one of those", and they stopped and chatted about it. She wanted to know what it was, and he told her what he knew, which was a bit of a confused account of the van that implied Bedford was Ford's commercial division, and then they cycled off with him muttering about how they should buy one. That felt good. ;D ----------------------
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